Last night, 60 Minutes aired an interesting report on the rise of robots in the workforce – a subject we’ve covered extensively. What they concluded was the robots we’re seeing aren’t necessarily the R2-D2’s and Short Circuits of science fiction – the ones that become so self-aware that they challenge our authority, or in the worst-case scenarios (think Will Smith’s I, Robot or 2001 A Space Odyssey), stage a coup and take over.
Instead, what’s happening might be even scarier: they’re taking our jobs. Lots of them – and it’s already begun.
Correspondent Steve Kroft calls it “technological unemployment,” and we’ve already seen the effects in manufacturing; but the same thing is happening in nearly every industry: health care, retail, media, and in businesses large and small.
“There are lots of examples of routine, middle-skilled jobs that involve relatively structured tasks and those are the jobs that are being eliminated the fastest,” Erik Brynjolfsson, a professor of information technology at MIT, tells Kroft. “Technology is always creating jobs. It's always destroying jobs. But right now the pace is accelerating. It's faster we think than ever before in history…and we’re not creating jobs at the same pace that we need to.”
The percentage of Americans with jobs is at a 20-year low, according to the 60 Minutes report, and the largest, most influential companies that in the old days would have hired many thousands of employees, simply don’t need as many people. In 1979, for example, General Motors employed 853,000 worldwide. Today, Apple, Amazon, Facebook and Google have something close to $1 trillion in market capitalization. But together, they employ fewer than 150,000 people-- less than the number of new entrants into the American workforce every month.
Robotics expert Martin Ford, author of The Lights In the Tunnel: Automation, Accelerating Technology and the Economy of the Future, has been warning economists of this phenomenon for years – and has analyzed what the future could look like if the current pace of robotic advancement continues.
Here’s an interview The Fiscal Times had with Ford back in July 2011. In it, Ford warns about the scary economic consequences that could take place if we sit back and do nothing.The Fiscal Times (TFT): You say that robots are poised to take over the low-wage jobs of cashiers, fast-food workers , office assistants, and even some high-wage jobs like radiologists.
Martin Ford (MF): Machines and computers are getting better at an accelerated rate, and I think within maybe 5 to 10 years things are going to get to the level where machines begin to surpass the ability of most people to do routine work. I base this partly on my belief that most of the work out there in the economy is routine in nature. There aren’t that many people that are paid to think creative thoughts.
TFT: But haven’t people been talking about automation for years? Why hasn’t it happened yet?
MF: The technology just hasn’t been there. It’s not about building the robot arm, it’s about controlling the robot arm; it’s about how to make the machine think and we’re just getting to that point now. It’s the first time we’ve had this level of technology that allows machines to solve problems on their own, to interact with their environment, to analyze visual imagines, and to manipulate their environment based on that.
TFT: The common argument is that technology advances society and creates jobs. Are you saying it no longer will?
MF: So far, advances in technology have allowed us to become more prosperous and push economic growth, but the reason it’s made workers more productive is because machines and computers have been tools. At some point, we’re going to get to where machines stop being tools to be used by workers and they become workers in their own right. Without an income, people can’t participate in the economy. Alan Blinder, an economist at Princeton, has been talking about how productivity increases in the economy are no longer transmitted to workers in the form of wages. Nowadays when we see productivity increases, [the financial benefit] ends up at the top; it goes to the CEO, to the shareholders, but workers don’t get any of it. It’s hard to have more prosperity under this system because as workers start to lose jobs and see lower wages, they can’t participate in the economy as consumers.
TFT: How might you re-wire the economy to adjust to this?
MF: If it’s at a point where there aren’t enough jobs or if those jobs don’t provide enough income for people to cover their basic expenses, I think you have to have some form of progressive taxation and redistribution. Right now, we’re moving in the opposite direction, we’re talking about austerity, it looks like we’re going to destroy the few safety nets that we have for working people, and I honestly think it’s a disastrous move. The current situation we’re in could really drag on and while we’re waiting for the job market to recover, these technologies are going to continue to accelerate and it’ll be more difficult to get these jobs back. It will be like running up the down escalator. Economist David Autor has come to the conclusion that the middle-range jobs that used to support a solid middle-class lifestyle are pretty much gone.
TFT: Which middle-range jobs?
MF: Secretaries, administrative assistants, mid-range office jobs. If you’re anyone other than the CEO you no longer have a secretary, you have a computer. That type of job has already been eliminated. Jobs that involve sitting at a computer are more susceptible to automation because they can be automated with software, you don’t need robots. There is now software that automates going through reams of documents and figuring out which ones are important for a court case, something that used to be for lawyers and paralegals. The first litmus test is ‘Is it a boring job? Is it repetitive and tedious and boring even though you need lots of training?’ If so, it’s probably going to be one of the first jobs to be hit.
TFT: How can job creation happen? Do you think we’ll ever get back to low unemployment?
MF: I hope so, but technology is not going to stop getting better. There are certain jobs that are going to be hard to automate, like being a plumber, electrician, or a mechanic, but new technology-based jobs don’t have a long history. They can be replaced by something else or eliminated entirely. Data-entry clerks and IT jobs are getting automated and outsourced. The idea that the jobs of the future will be in computers is becoming less true. Increasingly you’ll see a winner-takes-all phenomenon where there’s a demand for top people, those who graduate from MIT or something, but broad-based employment is getting a lot tougher. It’s hard to know where the job creation is going to come from.